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  Was Russell "that" Faithful and Wise Servant?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
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  "from this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of zion's watch tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that "faithful and wise servant.

  " he never did claim to be such," ("god's kingdom of a thousand years has approached," 1973, p. 346).. or this?.

  "thousands of the readers of pastor russell's writings believe that he filled the office of 'that faithful and wise servant,' and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season.

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  Sea Breeze

  Great comments. Thanks!
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  Speed Trap

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  speed trap (1970).

  i was driving back from a music gig in austin when i hit one of those sneaky highway speed traps.. back then the speed limit on the interstate was 55 mph.. well--suddenly for a quarter mile--it wasn't.. how do i know that?the patrolman who stopped me was kind enough to inform me...as he bid me follow him...to the local justice of the peace...to pay my $50 fine...or else i'd go to jail.. looking back on that episode in my life--i handled it with less wisdom than i now possess.for one thing, i was a bit insensitive.the justice was older than god's socks.

  he may well have been animatronic (you know, like at disneyland).he was deafer than beethoven.. "your honor, there was no reduce speed sign posted along the hi---"he kept interrupting me to ask if i wanted to pay cash or personal check.my remedy was to talk louder.. "your honor, there was...etc".

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  Sea Breeze

  Perhaps you meant 1974?

  Thats when Nixon passed the 55mph speed limit.
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  False Predictions

  by Sea Breeze in

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  what you will not be told at the door bythe jehovah’s witnesses.

  the jehovah’s witness (or watchtower bible and tract society) have made the followingpredictions which appear in their own literature:.

  1. that jesus would return by 1874. when jesus failed to appear, the witnesses claimedthat it was an unseen, spiritual return.

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  Sea Breeze

  A couple of relevant memes:

  

  
  
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  False Predictions

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what you will not be told at the door bythe jehovah’s witnesses.

  the jehovah’s witness (or watchtower bible and tract society) have made the followingpredictions which appear in their own literature:.

  1. that jesus would return by 1874. when jesus failed to appear, the witnesses claimedthat it was an unseen, spiritual return.

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  What You Will Not Be Told At The Door By
  the JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES

  The Jehovah’s Witness (or Watchtower Bible and tract society) have made the following
  predictions which appear in their own literature:

  1. That Jesus would return by 1874. when Jesus failed to appear, the Witnesses claimed
  that it was an unseen, spiritual return. (Watchtower, Feb. 1881, p 188).

  2. That Jesus would return in 1914 with the Battle of Armageddon ending in October of
  1914 (Zion’s Watchtower, Jan 15, 1892, p.21-23).

  3. That with the end of 1914, what God calls Babylon, and what men call Christendom will
  pass away. (Thy Kingdom Come, 1895, p.153).

  4. When the prophecies of 1914 failed, the new date of 1918 was set for God’s wholesale
  destruction of the church members by the millions. (Finished Mystery, 1917, p.485).

  5. With the failure of this prophecy, a new date of 1925 was set. Therefore we may
  confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob…”
  (Millions Now Living, 1920, p.89-90).

  6. With the expected arrival of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob “any day”, a house was built for them
  in 1930 in San Diego, California and called “Beth Sarim” meaning “House of the Princes”.
  By 1942 it was still “held in trust for the occupancy of those princes on their return”.
  (The New World, 1942, p.104).

  7. In 1941 they claimed that the world was nearing the end and facing “the remaining
  months before Armageddon”. (Watchtower, Sep 15, 1941, 288).

  8. The fall of 1975 was to mark the beginning of Christ’s 1000 year, literal visible reign
  on earth. (Awake! Oct 8, 1968, p.14).

  In March 1968, “there are only about ninety months left before 6000 years of man’s
  existence on earth is completed”. (Kingdom Ministry, March 1968, p.4).

  Dressing well, Sincerity and Zeal do not necessarily indicate the presence of TRUTH.

  
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  Perfect response

  by Cerise in

  1. jw
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  i was hoping to get some advice on what to say to a parent who wouldn’t support you to get married to a “worldy person”.

  always bringing up “marry only in the lord” even when that hasnt worked out for the parent, twice divorced lol.

  is there a way to discredit that scripture or argue back respectfully without giving away that you are pimo?.

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  Sea Breeze

  JW's are not "In Christ" since official WT teaching is that Jesus is not the Mediator for average members. They are not born again by the Spirit of God, only the anointed are according to the WT.

  if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his - Romans 1: 9

  So, your parents advice would actually prevent a person from marrying a JW .
  
  I realize that this is not likely to go over very well.
  
  
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  Was Russell "that" Faithful and Wise Servant?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "from this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of zion's watch tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that "faithful and wise servant.

  " he never did claim to be such," ("god's kingdom of a thousand years has approached," 1973, p. 346).. or this?.

  "thousands of the readers of pastor russell's writings believe that he filled the office of 'that faithful and wise servant,' and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season.

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  Sea Breeze

  Thanks ElderEtta!

  Excellent list of descriptions of Russell. Here's more:

  "Pastor Russell was…strong, humble, wise, loving, gentle, just, merciful, faithful, self-sacrificing… As a logician and theologian he is doubtless without a peer today. In his research for Biblical Truth and harmony he is without a parallel in this age. Without a blemish in his character…he towers like a giant unmatched." (The Finished Mystery, p. 125)

  One reseacher estimated over 1300 statements in the book that JW's today would reject today. Yet, the JW book REVELATION ITS GRAND CLIMAX NEAR AT HAND (1988) refers back to the period 1870-1919 and applies the following descriptions to the early JWs:

  anointed Christians, abandoned false doctrines, boldly used the Bible, restoration of true worship, faithful Christians, the John class, God's people, Christ's anointed brothers, faithful and discreet, the Master appointed them, Pure worship was reestablished (p. 209)
  

  This is the same indoctrination and self-glorification that JW leaders promote year after year about the organization, that was once attributed to Russell.
  
  They are really best viewed as two separate cults in my opinion... especially since many Russellites refused to go along with the change to the Organization as God's sole mouthpiece on earth. These were quickly labelled The Evil Slave Class and discarded. One group got control of the printing presses, the other didn't. The rest is history.
  
  But somehow the WT was (and is) able to continue the myth of their origins as a continuation of Russell. Amazing!

  This explains why they were willing to give Russell the FDS title in 1919 but later claimed just the opposite after they stole the FDS mantle from Russell after he died.
  

  They were in fact two heretical groups fighting over ownership of one particularly heresy - the FDS entitlement.
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  Jehovah's Witness parents: 'Why our kids don't need blood transfusions'

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  next time you encounter a jehovah's witness or someone asking about them being banned in russia for extremism.

  get them to read the following article:.

  durban - the parents of three children who are jehovah’s witnesses have suggested to the durban high court that erythropoietin can be used to treat their children instead of blood transfusions.. erythropoietin is a drug-based treatment which stimulates the production of red blood cells.. .

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  Sea Breeze

  Here is some additional fine medical advice from the Watchtower:

  "If any overzealous doctor condemns your tonsils go and commit suicide with a case-knife. It's cheaper and less painful." Golden Age 1926 Apr 7 p.438
  
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  Was Russell "that" Faithful and Wise Servant?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "from this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of zion's watch tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that "faithful and wise servant.

  " he never did claim to be such," ("god's kingdom of a thousand years has approached," 1973, p. 346).. or this?.

  "thousands of the readers of pastor russell's writings believe that he filled the office of 'that faithful and wise servant,' and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season.

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  Sea Breeze

  Sorry sir82, hard to grasp nuance sometimes online.
  
  But I don't think this is a case of "tortured logic" or word-smithing either. It looks like a pretty clear case of trying to have it both ways - One view for public consumption and another for the insiders.
  
  The Watchtower here claims that Russell deceived people publicly because he was too "modest" and "humble" to admit that he believed (as well as many others) that he was personally foretold in the scriptures 2000 years ago.
  
  In other words, he deceived people so that they would not be tempted to idolize him as many were already doing. They claim this was out of humility and modesty.... doubtless for their own good.

  Of course, had he taught openly about what he believed to be true, it would have revealed his severe narcissism and Savior Complex.
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  Was Russell "that" Faithful and Wise Servant?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "from this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of zion's watch tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that "faithful and wise servant.

  " he never did claim to be such," ("god's kingdom of a thousand years has approached," 1973, p. 346).. or this?.

  "thousands of the readers of pastor russell's writings believe that he filled the office of 'that faithful and wise servant,' and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season.

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  Sea Breeze

  so they feel justified in writing "He never did claim to be such".

  If he privately admitted to being specifically and personally mentioned and identified in the scriptures, isn't that the same as claiming it, just not publicly?
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  My conversation with the "Fixer" attorney for Pentecostal TV evangelists

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i had occasion to chat with a man who was the attorney for a large cabal (all related by blood) of pentecostal tv evangelists.

  how it came about was as follows.i was finishing my first book about my stint in prison as a jw (i wept by the rivers of babylon)and a man in a suit walked over and asked me what i was working on.he said he'd seen me every day and got curious.i told him.he jumped at the chance to unburden at that point.in the course of our conversation, he opened my eyes to a great many things, not the least of which was the poisonous inevitability of larceny which comes with being a spokesman for god's 'truth.

  'he described the process.

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  Sea Breeze

  Thank you for relating that chance encounter Terry.
  
  With the average congregation size in America at 184, most pastors probably don't fall victim to the glitz and glamour of mega-ministries.